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I listened to them out of order It was only downhill from there. View all 4 comments. March Previously: Shadow Puppets Oh, the suspense is killing me. Bean is dying! Any day now. Bean was slightly interesting, when he was still a tiny child genius one-upping all the stupid March Previously: Shadow Puppets Oh, the suspense is killing me. Bean was slightly interesting, when he was still a tiny child genius one-upping all the stupid adults, but the novelty of that wore off. But just barely.

Thing is, the real story in the Shadow series is about Peter Wiggin and his road to the hegemony. And Card nearly got it right this time! I get it. So all that was a bust. Somebody stop me. Next: Shadows in Flight Unread This is the fourth of the Shadow books, and in it, Card picks up the question of what happens to a lot of young people who have never known anything but war, as Ender's Jeesh and other key Battle School graduates take their places among the heads of state.

It's thoughtfully done, if not carried to great personal depths in every case; so much happens in this story that a lot of the political maneuvers simply have to be summed up, and some of the important character development happens in just one This is the fourth of the Shadow books, and in it, Card picks up the question of what happens to a lot of young people who have never known anything but war, as Ender's Jeesh and other key Battle School graduates take their places among the heads of state.

It's thoughtfully done, if not carried to great personal depths in every case; so much happens in this story that a lot of the political maneuvers simply have to be summed up, and some of the important character development happens in just one or two scenes. Card has quite the knack for doing great things with lone scenes, however. Of those great lone scenes, I was surprised at which characters' big moments affected me the most. I did not expect to love Peter.

That astonishing little delight provided for a hefty share of the sweetness in the bittersweet ending, and in some ways, this was his book as well. The narrative hops perspective a lot, giving the reader sight into the various Battle Schoolers' struggles to shape the world and their own lives; it focuses on Bean and Petra, but Peter's genius and his motivations, his hard work and his healing are the central tale. As for the Battle Schoolers' struggles, Card structures the military movements with outstanding logic, best as I can tell; he appears to have done his research thoroughly on the various countries involved, and everything from motive for action to the playing out of battle upon available terrain seemed thought-through and believable to me.

Someone more knowledgeable of strategy than myself may catch mistakes, but the only thing I saw that resembled a flaw was in how briefly big events had to be summarized—probably a consequence both of word count limits and the fact that not every active country had a Battle School graduate to follow around. But that abbreviating of key events was well made up for by the thoughtfully optimistic perspective on life and humanity that carries Card's work.

The comprehension of human nature and culture, the compassionate philosophy, and the powerful, ever-hopeful drive toward light and redemption are overwhelmingly beautiful even amid grief. And there is grief in this book. This is a tale of hope and happiness and suffering together, and it was both the sorrow and the beauty of it—and the truth of it, for that matter—that had me in tears for the last thirty pages this morning.

Card shows redemption working in the most unexpected characters, of which Peter is only the most central, and his latter scenes allow for the existence and goodness of a God who has, as in Psalm 18, 'made darkness his hiding place. Both eyeliner and mascara survived the meltdown. I'm impressed. Card sold me on the ending, but I can imagine some readers being a touch less satisfied.

A handful of threads are left unresolved for sequels' sake, and the heartache and sweetness are pretty inextricable. I'll recommend the entire Shadow series wholeheartedly to anyone who has read much of the Ender saga and loved it. For anyone who has not read the Ender saga: if I taught writing, Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead would be required reading for an understanding of how to write humanity; but even for those only looking for some good reading, I recommend those two books almost without reserve.

They are some of the best modern fiction I've ever come across. Feb 07, Emma rated it liked it Recommends it for: people addicted to the Ender-verse. Shelves: scifi-fantasy. It was ok. Not his crown masterpiece. Lots of war games, strategy. You get to find out what happens to Bean and Petra and the rest of Ender's Jeesh as all the nations of Earth use the wonder kids to try to tear each other apart.

Interesting insight on Islam from, um, a Mormon?


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My problems with it are: - not much exciting new conceptual stuff like the Speaker for the Dead books. It feels like the whole book is denouement. Or filler. I guess I'm missing a certain emotional sophistication and nuance. I think the most interesting thing about this book is what it sets up to happen in the next book She doesn't know it's Bean's kid or that it has that condition, and she's teaching him the "real truth about Achilles".

She takes him off to a colony world, which means he'll be time-delayed just like Bean's other wonder-kids which he takes into space with him. Which means someone might care enough to try to figure out Bean's problem if they have to deal with another Bean-but-evil. However, Bean is not ambitious, so would Bean's kid be?

Bean's kid would also not have Bean's military training.

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And raised by a crazy lady on a colony world. But either way, the next series will surely be about all the little Beans running around being crazy-brilliant and trying to out-maneuver each other, using the colony worlds as their playground. Perhaps using space travel as a way to delay the effects of their disease. The other interesting part of the book was this idea that Volescu was planning to release a genetic virus that would make every new kid have Bean's disease.

So it would change the course of human evolution and create a new species of super-humans, who would die at age But that was dropped, it wasn't the case, he was just bluffing. But that would be an interesting book. Question: Why don't they set up a lab in Bean's ship that he goes off in with his uber-smart babies? Wouldn't they be the best ones to try to find a cure? They've got motivation and they are smarter than Valescu. View 2 comments. Sep 28, mich rated it did not like it Shelves: ya , science-fiction , romance-is-meh , lame-ass-couple , yeah-i-skimmed-so-sue-me , zzzzz , used-to-like-this-series , i-got-angry , disappointing , this-book-is-stupid.

I guess? I first read these books a really long time ago. Ender's Game had been one my favorite sci-fi books ever back in the day I will never forget how I felt when I read the "twist" at the end of that book. It was one of those moments that literally put goosebumps on my arms. I ended up reading most of the Enderverse books and liking them. I remembered that this was my least f Who the hell decides to randomly re-read book 4 in a series that they haven't touched in YEARS? I remembered that this was my least favorite of the series, but not why.

I think I just thought it was the most boring one? I remembered there was a lot of politics in this one. I wondered if I'd be able to pick this back up with my older, more patient and more mature? Um, NO. Jesus, no. This was so bad. And no, my big criticism isn't that it's so unrealistic that teenagers are able to control and lead countries. The book that had alien buggers in space? Sooo, I mean. I don't think "realism" is one of standards that I really need to hold the rest of these books up to lol. I actually LOVE that part of the whole thing. Following the members of Ender's jeesh, these genius kids who have had elite training and lived through a nightmare together, going back to regular life on Earth.

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How Battle School was a veritable melting pot, but leaving and going back home meant testing your former loyalties and friendships cuz "home" was a country that wanted to use you to wage war against each other. It was fun and it was cool. What I didn't like was how Card completely shits on all the female characters here. Doodoo, all over them. It stinks and it's bullshit. If you've read enough of his books, you know this author can get preachy.

His personal beliefs bleed into the pages every once in awhile, and the fact that he did this to all his female characters kinda gives me an indication as to how this dude must really feel about women in general. Overly emotional. That's what he turned his 2 main female characters into. Look, I have always loved Petra. You remember the first scene we get from her in Ender's Game, right? The only girl in Salamander Army. With more balls than anybody else in the room.

Card ends up destroying her character and using her for the sole purpose of being a mouthpiece for his condescension and utter disdain for anyone who doesn't think that making babies is the end all and be all of everything, and if you don't do that with your body then you might as well just go die or live in a cave somewhere cuz you don't matter in life.

And don't get me started on Virlomi. Virlomi's the only female character at this point who is actively on the world stage with the boys. She got there by being smart, and strategic, and kickass. Just like the other Battle School guys. And Card decides to turn her into a crazy person.

Not only that, he decides to suddenly make her become stupid the latter being the bigger offense in my opinion. It's such bullshit the way he makes a point of having all his female characters fail at the things that the male characters ultimately end up succeeding in. Not only that, he makes us actively dislike them hey, he does the same thing in the other Ender books with Novinha and Quara.

He makes sure to let us see them being completely fucking irrational and controlled by their emotions. He doesn't do that with the male characters. Again, it's bullshit. And I won't even comment on how Card portrays Islam here. This was a shitty book. The "fun" stuff can only get you so far.

I wish I hadn't picked this book up again. It was definitely better being left in my memories as "the dull one in the series" rather than what it is now. Jun 01, thethousanderclub rated it really liked it. Adam C.

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Zern offers his thoughts. I felt the book was extremely weak in both story and character. It made me feel as if Orson Scott Card was wandering helplessly in the desert of his own imagination and never finding an oasis of meaningful creativity. The best part of Shadow of the Giant is that one of the main conflicts and with it the main antagonist—Achilles—is gone. The meat of this book is the confrontations between a variety of characters and countries, which allows for more diverse and interesting scenarios.

Card sometimes meanders into too much psychoanalysis of his characters, which he accomplishes through stilted dialogue, but the characters remain fascinating. As I have said before, I am invested in these characters and will continue reading what Card has to offer in this universe even after the Ender and Shadow series are over. The other books in the two sagas or worthwhile but only after deciding if the characters deserve your time.

Nov 18, Davyne DeSye rated it it was amazing. For me, this is also a much more personal story of Bean and Petra. While the world politics continues in the background, Bean and Petra have found love, and — more amazing still — ha Wonderful! While the world politics continues in the background, Bean and Petra have found love, and — more amazing still — have decided to have children of their own.

For understandable reasons, they opt for in vitro fertilization and end up with nine viable embryos. Bean and Petra immediately implant one and become excited and terrified at the prospect of being parents, especially as their child is likely to be a genius in its own right.


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  4. Unfortunately, they discover soon after implanting the first embryo that their other embryos have been stolen. When no ransom is demanded, they realize the awful truth: Someone has stolen the embryos in the hopes of raising their own small army of indoctrinated geniuses that can be raised to become the new child-warriors the world is demanding. And yep, I cried my eyes out at the end. Great stuff! Feb 03, Jimmy Corvan rated it it was amazing.

    I couldn't be happier with how this series ended. I feel like this book was just OSC showing off. It was as if he were attempting to write a book to show other authors how to develop characters. OSC took characters that the reader previously held in high regard and easily made them a villain as well as took previously, unlikeable characters and turned them to into charismatic heroes.

    It was a real treat to see these kids grow up and find out what happens to every story line. While I don't want to I couldn't be happier with how this series ended.

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    While I don't want to give anything away, the end of this book is basically a dream for any fan of the series. Ever since I started the Shadow series, I've wanted one conversation to happen, and OSC does not fail in the powerful and moving dialogue which closes the final chapter of this series. I'm a little torn about having Ender in Exile to follow up this book as I feel like I don't need anything else from these characters I certainly do not expect EiE to compare to this final installment, but I am excited about it, nevertheless This was an almost completely satisfying conclusion for the Shadow series.

    I just wish that girl, Randi, would have gotten smacked around a bit. But I really enjoyed that this addition to the series had more of the war games than the last. Shadow of the Hegemon and Shadow of the Giant are my favourites of the Shadow series for that reason.

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    I also enjoyed having some sort of conclusion for all of the other characters, such as Alai. Especially Peter. I really enjoyed his character. Being a very dif This was an almost completely satisfying conclusion for the Shadow series. Being a very different kind of brilliance from the other characters really made him stand out. And of course his accomplishments were the most impressive.

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    This book made me cry alot, which is a good thing. Even when it was because of sadness it was done well, otherwise I wouldnt cry, I would just be frustrated. I was left feeling very satisfied. Sep 28, arjuna rated it it was ok. Going to have to reiterate my wish that these four books had been combined, heavily pruned, and polished a little, I'm afraid I concur with this review on most points Can't fault the "active, intelligent and independent" female characters, but to have them all pretty much decide that family life was their one-true-calling and everything else is subsidiary, and that somehow Petra is the bad guy for following her intelligence rather than her womb until the Very Last Minute is just And puhleeze - all that "Redeem the battle children with family life" stuff But this book in particular.

    Alienating, distasteful, and an unpleasant surprise after the robust females elsewhere in the Ender saga. View 1 comment. Feb 06, Samantha rated it did not like it Shelves: sci-fi , written-review. Things this books taught me: Even if you save a planet by fighting an intergalactic war before you hit puberty, your life will be meaningless unless you have biological children. Also, the Islamic region exists only to take over the entire world and is more evil than the other people who want to take over the entire world, even though everyone else is also killing and fighting people because they think their way is better.

    Things I wanted to learn in this book: How Peter Wiggins was able to take ov Things this books taught me: Even if you save a planet by fighting an intergalactic war before you hit puberty, your life will be meaningless unless you have biological children. Things I wanted to learn in this book: How Peter Wiggins was able to take over the world through clever manipulation and political tactics with the help of Ender's old war friends.

    Aug 31, Dakota rated it did not like it. I am SO done with the series of sermons about biological determinism that these books have become. Peter is still good in this one, but only really in the last fifth of the book. Wraps up so many things from so many other books, and so beautifully done. The moment I learned what volescu was doing I couldn't stop reading and it didn't let up. I didn't know if I was going to read shadows in flight after this but now I have no choice. Loved all the character development.

    Just overall great book. Mar 26, Nola Redd rated it really liked it Recommends it for: Ender's Game fans, sci-fi readers. Shelves: fiction-science-fiction. At the same time, he makes Peter somewhat more likeable as his true motives emerge. Three key jeesh members now lead countries in rather close proximity, and all have aspersions of growth.

    At the same time, Bean and Petra are searching for the embryos stolen by Achilles and implanted in wombs throughout the world. We get only two glimpses into the mind of the woman who birthed the only unfound child. And, while the world domination comes to an end, the saga of these nonhuman children is left open, which will surely lead to another novel. In short, as soon as the next novel comes out, Card has at least one buyer. The story is fast paced and detailed.

    I love the fact that the solution to the problem of the Buggers has led to another problem on Earth. In short, the Battle School children, bred for a hunger to lead and an ambition for power, return to their homes and destabilize the world. But I also love the fact that the intelligence and ability to reason ultimately leads them all to the same conclusion. Fast paced, powerful, and with a great story to tell, Shadow of the Giant keeps readers locked to its pages. The focus here is more on overall objectives and less on individual battles.

    Card has told yet another masterful tale. This story wraps up the life of the Hegemon, Peter Wiggin, and has humanized him. Either way, I look forward to learning what happens to Bean and his children, and whether young Achilles is ever found.

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    Nov 03, Marina rated it it was amazing. You foreigners are wrecking the English language. I'm speaking Common. There's no 'whom' in Common. Wiggin and Bean p. Besides which, I like it. Peter picked up his glass and drained it, 'And you wonder why I don't look forward to these little family get-togethers? Aug 20, Ric rated it liked it Shelves: reading-challenge , read-don-t-own. Shadow of the Giant was much better than Shadow Puppets, but still not close to the first two books of the series.

    The basic plot of the last three books has been Battle School grads treating the world as their own personal game of Risk, which is so cool. The Bean and Petra relationship felt kind of forced a few books ago, but just as I was starting to get used Shadow of the Giant was much better than Shadow Puppets, but still not close to the first two books of the series. Then after Bean goes off world to find a cure for his gigantism, she falls in love with Peter almost instantly, which is just ridiculous. Fantastic just fantastic. I miss the characters already ; but still I feel they will be forever in my heart.

    I did not enjoy this book. It's hard to write a review for a book like Shadow of the Giant, because it's really just the last chapter of a much larger story. I give 5 stars on this review not only because Giant was a great book by itself, but it also ends the series with the greatness it deserves. While the Shadow books follow Bean and the other Battle School Children back to Earth, the other books follow Ender on his journey through space.

    I left these books from my list intentionally. I started Speaker for the Dead and found it horribly boring, so I returned it to Amazon. The reviews I've read of the other books don't inspire me to pick them up at all. I read the books in this order, and I feel extremely satisfied with the result. Shadow of the Giant has put a perfect little bow around the events that happened on Earth after Ender and friends saved us all from the Buggers. Over the course of the Shadow series, I completely enjoyed bonding with so many great characters. At the beginning they are small children in Battle School, and by the end they are young adults who have done great things with thier lives.

    The only thing I love more than a great story are great characters, and Shadow series gave me both. Bean's departure breaks Petra's heart, but she becomes Peter's military commander, eventually marrying and having five children with him, though she never stops loving Bean. Peter reconciles with Ender via ansible , giving the "Speaker for the Dead" all he needs to write The Hegemon , a deeply felt and truthful biography of his brother.

    Petra reads his biography at his grave, thinking of him as the man who truly changed her life. Still, Bean remains the one who she loves and has changed her life the most. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Shadow of the Giant Front cover. Dewey Decimal. In chronological order. In publication order. Short Stories. Novels portal. Shadow of the Giant. Works by Orson Scott Card. Ender's Game series. Comics Film. Ender Wiggin Formics Jane. Organizations Planets. The Tales of Alvin Maker. The Worthing series. Lovelock Rasputin TBA. Empire Hidden Empire Pathfinder Ruins Visitors Categories : American novels science fiction novels American science fiction novels Ender's Game series books Tor Books books.

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